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  • Steve Owens posted an update in the group New divers & Student Divers:   1 month ago ·   updated 1 month ago · View

    To all, new and old; what was the ONE biggest hurdle to overcome during your Basic O/W class?

    Mine was: ”what/how are they breathing underwater?!?”

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      Tammy Storm · 1 month ago

      Mine was mask clearing. I am in no way putting down my instructor nor the agency I learned under, but I really wish I would have had to practice the skill over & over. Instead we were only required to demonstrate the skill once in the pool & once in open water. That is probably the 1 skill that gives new divers the most trouble. I was nowhere near comfortable doing that skill & guarded the mask on my face with my life. After some dives & practice down the road, it finally started to become comfortable to clear & then finally remove my mask. I STILL can not open my eyes underwater though. :)

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      Tom Hilgeman · 1 month ago

      I got shivers when we surface swam over the ledge from 6ft to 80 ft deep. Maybe I’m a little scared of heights?

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      Jason Massey · 1 month ago

      I’d imagine it was probably buoyancy. I’ve got it pretty much under control now, but it did take awhile. Other than that it was probably paying attention to my instructor instead of the fish and cool stuff underwater! ;-)

  • Tammy Storm posted an update in the group New divers & Student Divers:   6 months ago ·   updated 1 month ago · View

    So,…. what got you interested in diving? With me, I was on a cruise ship that called on the port of Georgetown Grand Cayman. Discover Scuba was offered & I thought, ”why not? it would be cool”. After about 30 min. of lecture, 30 min. in the pool to teach us a few basic skills, the took us out on a reef just off shore to about 30ft. WOW! that was so cool. To breathe underwater, be weightless & to see the beauty of the reefs there, I was hooked. When summer rolled around, I signed up for a course & got certified. After 4yrs & about 400 dives, I am now an instructor & working towards acquiring my Full Cave Diver certification. So how or why did you get started? What have you gotten out of diving?

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      Jason Massey · 6 months ago

      One of my best friends dad ran a dive shop here locally. He bugged me for years to get certified and I always shrugged him off because I thought it was too expensive a hobby for me. I had always been interested in diving though. As a kid watching all the movies with cool diving scenes, I always thought that would be cool to do.

      Finally in 2000, he had convinced me and since I had another close friend who was going to go through the training as well, I signed up. Enjoyed every bit of open water training so I immediately signed up for advanced open water. I finished all the classroom work but didn’t do the checkout dives. Life, as it often does, stepped in and I didn’t get a chance to dive again for many years.

      Fast forward to 2006 and my soon to be wife and I are planning a honeymoon in the Bahamas. Needless to say, diving was immediately high on my list of things to do while there. Figured I’d take a refresher course and my wife signed up for training to see if she’d like it. She finished her training and we had some great dives there (thanks to Stuart Cove’s). When we got back we decided to continue our dive training and got active with this club.

      While the economy has affected our diving recently, we plan on doing as much as we can. Our long term goal is to move south, near a coast line, buy a boat, and dive, dive, dive!

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      Steve Owens · 1 month ago

      A buddy and I were going on a cruise. Figured that with all that water around, might as well see what’s in it. Then there was a Louisville dive shop modeling French cut wet suits – ooo-la-la! jolies demoiselles! Never did take the cruise, but kinda got hooked on scuba.

  • Tammy Storm posted an update in the group Diver safety & Training:   1 month, 1 week ago ·   updated 1 month, 1 week ago · View

    The need for a redundant air supply on deep cold water dives-
    A couple of Sundays ago, while at the quarry, a group of us (4) decided to do a deep dive. The quarry reaches depths of 115 ft with temperatures in the low 40’s below 60 ft. We decided that 1 buddy pair go one way & the other would go another. I was diving double 108’s & my buddy was diving a single steel 104. We descended without much problem. The other team leveled off at about 70 ft & started on their way. I am not sure what size/ type tanks they were diving only that they were singles with no redundancy- which IMO is crazy in that environment; I also thought this same thing with my buddy; but we’re all divers & should know what we’re getting into. My buddy & I dropped down a little further & leveled off at about 90 ft. After giving each other the OK signal, I started to lead the dive as planned.

    Not even a minute later (we were about 5 min into the dive) my buddy signaled me with his rattle & pointed to his regulator. It took me a couple of seconds to realize what he was communicating,… a free flow was starting. The bubbles weren’t too bad at this point, I immediately deployed my long hose primary to him, but he wouldn’t take it, he just stared at me,…. I’m guessing some narcosis & situational narrowing going on there. Then the regulator went into a full free flow & all hell broke loose. If I could have given him my primary, I was going to turn his air off, let the 1st stage thaw for a few seconds the turn it back on & give his regulator back to him & do a slow, controlled ascent, but that never happened. He started for the surface, not really in a panic, but quickly, as I grabbed him. I’m not sure, but I don’t think he dumped ANY air from his BC on the way up, & I couldn’t reach his inflator hose to dump any. This very quickly turned into an uncontrolled ascent, so I dumped all the air out of my wings & tried to use the weight of my 108’s to slow the ascent, it worked marginally. It slowed us a little, but not as much as I would have liked. At 20 ft I decided to let him go to hopefully avoid/ reduce the risk of injury to myself. My computer (a Suunto) put me into 3 min. deco with a 10 ft ceiling because of the ascent. I stayed down & did my deco then came up to check on my buddy. Thankfully, he was fine. We got very lucky with it. The reason I knew what to do with the free flow, in my situation, was that I had a free flow in the same quarry almost 2 yrs earlier when I took my Adv. Nitrox/ Decompression course 2 yrs earlier. I just used the knowledge I gained from that experience to try to handle the situation. I asked him why he did not take my primary, he said he never saw it, even though I had it right in his face. Probably stress & narcosis causing that.

    About the the same time we had our problems, one of the guys on the other team had a free flow. The guy who had the free flow is still a newer diver & I’m not sure if he is deep certified or not. The diver was startled by the violence of the free flow & bolted for the surface. His buddy (I have dove with him before) doesn’t always have the greatest team/ situational awareness. He never realized there was even a problem until his buddy was near the surface. The free flow diver was badly shook up, but uninjured. Everyone involved in these events was fine & we all took an extended surface interval before doing another shallow dive.

    The thing that should be taken away from this episode is that cold water, especially deep cold water should be taken very seriously. It is a very harsh environment. Divers who are going to do this kind of diving really should have a redundant air supply- either a pony bottle or double cylinders with an isolation valve & they should be trained it its use.

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      Steve Owens · 1 month, 1 week ago

      Good ”bad” story Tammy! Glad to hear everyone came up o.k. I don’t think redundancy would have worked, as you have to remember to switch regs, close off the FF first stage, or find your spare air. Each one has it’s own chance of a FF condition. Training and practice were what was lacking, from my Monday Afternoon Quarterback chair. Not to rant, I’ll simply point the the fact that you were front and center with a working reg that has a low probability of FF, and the reg wasn’t taken. Your training kicked in.
      As a side note Tammy, how did you like time slooo-o-o-i–n—g d—–o——-w———n? I’ve been in a similar situation and was kicking myself in the butt for hesitancy. Two witnesses said I was there even before they knew there was a problem. Deco juice was great that night!

      If you’re new and reading this, please take away that training and practice are paramount. Get that extra training and when you get a chance practice. Can you reach the first stage valve? If you are handed a reg from your buddy, do you know what to do afterwords? Do you know what it feels like to be tethered to a buddy? Wouldn’t it be neat to practice on your own time, rather than Murphy’s? The other take away is visualize what you would do if were in this situation. Also what would you have done in Tammy’s position?

      Thanks Tammy for the story!

      Take care all!!!
      Steve

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      Tammy Storm · 1 month, 1 week ago

      Good points, Steve. I did make mention that training on using the equipment is important as the equipment itself.

      Yes, I do feel narcosis down there. I know exactly when I get to 85ft there. The cold seems to make the narcosis worse for me. In warm water, I can go past 100ft & barely feel it. It does slow my reactions some, but I have & am learning to deal with it & operate even with it.

      During the ascent, however, it was very quick. We were on the bottom & the next thing I know, we’re approching 20 ft.

      Good questions Steve, every diver should ask this. I can almost bet that a majority of divers do not know where their 1st stage valves are or can reach them. It took me quite a while to be able to do it in doubles. You are 100% correct you need the equipment, training & practice to perform in an emergency situation.

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      Jason Massey · 1 month, 1 week ago

      Good posts gang! That cold water narcosis should never be taken lightly. It can even affect you differently on different days. I’ve been down deep and did everything in my power to ward off a panic attack (or that’s what it felt like, even though I knew everything was fine) and as soon as I leveled off at like 45 feet, everything was fine. That’s when I realized it was narcosis playing with my head. The very same dive a few weeks later made me feel a little giddy and happy. Go figure!

      Personally, I think some of the diving we do regularly around here is very technical in nature and yet we take it for granted. Having done almost all cold water quarry diving, when I finally dove in the Bahamas, it was a different animal (albeit a nice one!). 100+ vis, almost no thermocline, currents, man eating sharks (just kidding) and WARM water. It was very nice, but I easily lost track of my depth, so I had to make sure I was reminding myself to regularly check my depth.

      Anyway, note to all local deep divers … make sure your regs can handle the cold!!

      Jason

  • Bryan K Morrow II posted an update in the group Find- A- Buddy:   3 months, 2 weeks ago · View

    I am going to Pennyroyal Saturday if anyone want to join me????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CMON lets Dive

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      Tammy Storm · 3 months, 2 weeks ago

      Wish I could Bryan. My gills are drying out. The only thing keeping me going is I have been doing a lot of pool sessions for OW, lately.

  • Trever Simon started the forum topic Memeorial Day Weekend in the group Find- A- Buddy:   3 months, 3 weeks ago · View

    I will be at Pennyroyal on Memorial Day Weekend with my son Taylor and one other diver. I wouldn’t mind some company. Hit me up if interested.

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      Tammy Storm · 3 months, 3 weeks ago

      I’ll be there with 4 students.

  • Tammy Storm posted an update in the group Find- A- Buddy:   4 months ago · View

    I’ll be at Pennyroyal on Memorial Day weekend. May have some students, not sure, but going to dive. Anyone else going on that weekend? Hopefully the scooter will be here & I’ll be able to practice with it.

  • Tammy Storm posted an update in the group Find- A- Buddy:   4 months, 4 weeks ago · View

    Planning to dive Pennyroyal on April 24th. Anyone interested? The quarry will be open, so going regardless.

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      Tammy Storm · 4 months, 3 weeks ago

      Anyone?

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        Trever Simon · 4 months, 2 weeks ago

        I have a wrestling tournament on the 24th, sorry.

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          Tammy Storm · 4 months, 2 weeks ago

          At least you replied. This place has been absolutely dead.

  • Trever Simon posted on the forum topic Hello in the group Introductions:   5 months, 3 weeks ago · View

    Hello I am Trever and I am an alcho… ooops sorry wrong group. I have been with the club since the beginning of time, I say that because my life never really began until I met Steve Owens. I was Vice President of the club until my job description changed and I started to travel [...]

  • Tammy Storm posted an update in the group Find- A- Buddy:   5 months, 4 weeks ago · View

    Planning some dives for March 20th. Anyone interested? I’m trying to get enough people together for a day of diving on March 20th. Anyone need to get their gills wet after this winter?

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      bob egbert · 5 months, 3 weeks ago

      I plan on making it.

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        Tammy Storm · 5 months, 3 weeks ago

        Don’t get too excited about Sat. just yet. I heard Stan Maglinger may be planning for Sun. I’m trying to get a hold of him to see what his plans are. With him, it might make getting in at the quarry easier. We’ll see.

  • Tammy Storm posted on the forum topic Hello in the group Introductions:   6 months ago · View

    I’m Tammy Storm.Like Steve, I have also been with the club since it started. I held the secretary position for a couple of years, but had to step down because of time constraints. I have been diving just over 4 years & currently have just under 400 dives. I am currently an Open Water Instructor [...]

  • Steve Owens started the forum topic Hello in the group Introductions:   6 months ago · View

    Welcome to the site. This is a forum for introductions, greetings, and any information you’d like to share with the group. So with that, I’m Steve Owens, President of Evansville Scuba Club. I’ve been President since the club started, several years ago. I’ve been diving since 1989. Love this sport/hobby/passion. My certifications range from basic [...]

  • Steve Owens posted an update in the group Introductions:   6 months ago · View

    Hello all, and welcome to the Evansville Scuba Club! Click on the Forum above and tell us about yourself!

    Again, welcome to the site
    Steve Owens
    Evansville Scuba Club President

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  • Tammy Storm posted an update in the group Diver safety & Training:   6 months, 2 weeks ago · View

    Discussion question: Where is the line between expanding one’s skills as a diver & exceeding ones training? Is it good to slowly expand one’s experience? When is an Instructor needed? When does it become dangerously exceeding one’s training?

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      Steve Owens · 6 months, 1 week ago

      IMHO, when do you exceed your training/experience? When you feel uncomfortable in what you are doing, or where you are at. It is good to expand your experience, either through a formal class, or with with an experienced dive buddy…keep in mind the comment about your comfort. If it feels bad, it is. When is it dangerous, when someone says that if so and so can do it, I can too. Shouldn’t the ”I can do” be based off of your own experience and not someone else?

      My 2 cents ;)
      Steve

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      Dennis Talbott · 6 months, 1 week ago

      Steve is right….. I dive my comfortable dive… I dive with Steve a lot and I’m not afraid to call a dive or to push back…. (not so deep). This is what the club is all about. Steve has too many dives beyond me to count, but I’m not afraid to call one short with him…. He may ask me why… and at that point I will discuss it with him. And thats whats it all about…. LEARNING… Im a newbee of sorts and have a lot of questions… some can’t be answered underwater! Thats why the club is here.

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      Tammy Storm · 6 months, 1 week ago

      Great replies! I’m just trying to get some discussion going here. All points made are very valid. I believe that there must be a little (& I’m talking only a tiny bit) going beyond one’s comfort zone in order to expand your experience. Yes, there must be a limit to how far an individual should go before seeking the instruction of a professional to continue on. Mentoring is also another great avenue, but there should still be limitations of remaining within the comfort zone of both divers. My discussion come from the fact that there are some divers that can feel comfortable going well beyond their training or experience, usually due to ignorance of the consequences of their pursuits. I’ll admit, I’ve done this in the past & have learned well from it. I learned that is was too far beyond my current scope & to seek proper instruction for pursuits of such magnitude, & that instruction has taught me a healthy respect for those forms of diving. keep up the discussion!

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